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Apple a Day
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short shotgun shells

Post by Apple a Day » Fri Oct 12, 2012 5:34 pm

Okay, give me a headcount- yep they work or nope they don't... who's tried short shotgun shells in their 12 gage and did they work for you? What kind of shotgun did you try?
I ask because I've got a Mossberg 500 and I'm trying to get my hands on some to see if they'll do the job. As soon as I do and get a chance to try I'll do some penetration tests.
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Re: short shotgun shells

Post by Pat@The-Armory » Sat Oct 13, 2012 12:21 pm

I have shot them in my Mossberg 590. They will cycle decent once you get the technique down. You have to do a quick "half-pump" to get them to feed right. If pump it all the way back or or stop mid pump, the tend to roll around in the lifter or flip over. See the notes from Aguilla below in cycling if you wish modify your gun:

Notes from Aguila on Shotgun Modifications to use Minishells:

First of all, any SAAMI/CIP approved 12ga shotgun may fire Minishells, be it side-by-side, over-and-under or pump action; however, the latter type will not cycle them flawlessly. The out-of-the-box shotgun that we have tested cycling Minishells very well, is the Winchester M1300 18" Defender. Winchesters 1897 seems to like the shorter rounds, however not as much as the Winchester 1300. We still have to test the Winchester 1887.

MOSSBERGS 500/590s will cycle Minishells pretty well once the shooter acquires a "feeling" as to how to pump the action; however, this will not prevent the occasional jam. To further solve the problem, we have lengthened and widened the little short metal bar (shell elevator), which catches the round to be subsequently fed to the ramp and chamber. This modification will not prevent you from firing regular size shot shells. The other modification that would decisively help in the proper cycling, would be to install the ejector in a more forward position to catch the spent shorter shell and eject it, before it may flip and cause jams. However, we DO NOT recommend you to do this, because you will most likely no longer be able to fire regular size shells.

Any competent gunsmith should be able to perform the modification to the elevator described above.

REMINGTONS 870s seem to require a more involved modification, which we have never attempted. We have received calls from clients stating that they have tried our Minishells in their 870s with excellent results, and that they did not understand why we have always mentioned the potential cycling problems. To this, we would like to state once more that Minishells will not cycle flawlessly in regular pump action shotguns, no matter how well some customers are able to cycle them. Again, the Winchester 1300 Defender would seem to be the one cycling Minishells best.

We do not know of any semi-automatic shotguns functioning with Minishells.

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Re: short shotgun shells

Post by OakRidgeStars » Sat Oct 13, 2012 5:54 pm

I've had a similar issue with certain 12ga shells from Fiocchi in my Mossy 500. It does take a slightly different pump action to cycle them correctly. Here lately I'm sticking to the higher brass US made shells so they'll work in my Saiga 12 too.
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